Logic 8 and Numerology2 (Recording MIDI/Sync BPM)

[bruno garza]

Here's 3 video tutorials on how to setup Numerology2 with Logic 8.

To keep the video short, I just work with 3 MIDI channels, but you can use all 16 MIDI channels from Numerology2. (Well, actually all 64 MIDI channels with Numerology2)

One thing that I found out by accident was, if I use the MIDI Clock but thru IAC, Numerology2 will sync on BPM with Logic 8 once I change the BPM in Logic 8.

http://www.digimixstudios.net/Numerology2Logic8Setup/

[Per Boysen]

Great videos! I learned a new trick for Logic from you :-)) How to split a midi region into multiple regions sorted by midi channel in the note data. Usually I use a Logic command called Explode Notes by MIDI Channel for this, but the trick you showed us - to export a midi file and drag it back in at an empty part of the arrange window canvas - that's even faster and simpler. Thanks a lot!

[bruno garza]

No problem. I learn tricks like that from others as well.

Man, I've been having fun with Numerology2.
Amazing piece of software, even more so now that I have it working great with Logic 8.

[vanhaze]

Hi Bruno,

I am a logic user too and your video's helped a lot for me.
They are very clear.


So a big thanx !!

Kind regards,

Rob

[Agrivex]

Cheers for this! Very very helpful

[Logos Lover]

Here's 3 video tutorials on how to setup Numerology2 with Logic 8.

To keep the video short, I just work with 3 MIDI channels, but you can use all 16 MIDI channels from Numerology2. (Well, actually all 64 MIDI channels with Numerology2)

One thing that I found out by accident was, if I use the MIDI Clock but thru IAC, Numerology2 will sync on BPM with Logic 8 once I change the BPM in Logic 8.

http://www.digimixstudios.net/Numerology2Logic8Setup/

The video is down. Any chance of putting it back up please?

[jim]

The video is down. Any chance of putting it back up please?

I'll email Bruno to see what's up. I'm also working on one that will cover setups both for the app and the AU.

Cheers,
Jim

[Logos Lover]

Thanks Jim. Hope those vids will be back on line soon.

I've been trying to get N3 and Logic 9 working together using ReWire, but i've no prior knowledge of using this at all.

When using ReWire what is it exactly that im doing...?
a) Midi data from Numerology is sent to Logic to control instruments setup on Logic tracks
or b) Numerology stacks are set up and controlling midi instruments and audio routed from Numerology and then into Logic?

Sorry if that's a basic question.....

I should also mention that i only use hardware synths so what's my best route if using ReWire to have the tighest timing sync between the two? I work with a 32 sample audio buffer in Logic, software monitoring on, and find this gives me no noticeable latency with my hardware synths.

[jim]

When using ReWire what is it exactly that im doing...?
a) Midi data from Numerology is sent to Logic to control instruments setup on Logic tracks
or b) Numerology stacks are set up and controlling midi instruments and audio routed from Numerology and then into Logic?

You can do both, or either. For the most accurate timing, it is better to host instruments in Numerology and pipe the resulting audio into Logic for recording. However, that will not work for Logic's built-in instruments, so in that case you have to route MIDI from Numerology to Logic. That does introduce some latency. I'm working on a solution for that with the AU version and plan to port it over to the ReWire driver once it has settled down a bit.

FYI: a 32 sample buffer is extremely small, so keep a close eye on the CPU monitor.

Also, feel free to tell me more about your setup, I may have further suggestions.

Cheers,
Jim

[bruno garza]

The video is down. Any chance of putting it back up please?

The video is back up.
I notice your further posts with Jim.

The video shows how to setup using IAC and not Rewire.

I notice you guys mentioned latency, but for me that's not an issue only because my main goal was to get MIDI out of Numerology into Logic for playback first, but then eventually to record into Logic.

Once its in Logic in its own track with MIDI data, if anything was slightly out of sync, I just quantize the MIDI data for all the channels, then latency goes away.

Using the Logic Enviroment, you would just cable to a MIDI out device to your hardware synth.
Let me know if you want a video of that, I have a Korg Triton Rack and can show how to set that up for hardware synths.

[bruno garza]

you have to route MIDI from Numerology to Logic. That does introduce some latency.

Now that I think about this, I know you'd get latency from audio, but how would you get latency from MIDI.
MIDI has timing information that you can send before the note is played so when the time comes for a note to play, it'll play then, not when it gets the MIDI note information.

Of course if someone is playing the notes, it's not latency.

[Logos Lover]

For the most accurate timing, it is better to host instruments in Numerology and pipe the resulting audio into Logic for recording.

I have Logic and NSE 3 and i'm trying to sync them using the method you mention Jim.

In Logic I have my hardware SQ80 synth with one midi track, and one audio track with input monitoring turned on.

In NSE I have a stack with a mononote, with midi input as "SQ80" and audio input as "audio bus A" ( i have no other options to chose from apart from audio busses A-H) Not sure what "Audio Bus A" is but it's selected as NSE audio input.

Midi output is set to "SQ80" BUT "audio output" is set to "None" YET I still hear the SQ80 coming through the mixer in Logic!!

This can only mean that i have not set things up correct for audio to be streamed from Numerology through to Logic, and it must mean that NSE is instead sending midi data to Logic, then to the SQ80 synth, which in turn I can hear through the input monitoring enabled audio channel.

How do I get audio from the hardware synth in NSE 3 piped through to Logic's mixer via ReWire without midi data being sent to Logic, and in turn onto the SQ80 midi channel set up there?

[jim]

I have Logic and NSE 3 and i'm trying to sync them using the method you mention Jim.

In Logic I have my hardware SQ80 synth with one midi track, and one audio track with input monitoring turned on.

In NSE I have a stack with a mononote, with midi input as "SQ80" and audio input as "audio bus A" ( i have no other options to chose from apart from audio busses A-H) Not sure what "Audio Bus A" is but it's selected as NSE audio input.

Midi output is set to "SQ80" BUT "audio output" is set to "None" YET I still hear the SQ80 coming through the mixer in Logic!!

This can only mean that i have not set things up correct for audio to be streamed from Numerology through to Logic, and it must mean that NSE is instead sending midi data to Logic, then to the SQ80 synth, which in turn I can hear through the input monitoring enabled audio channel.

How do I get audio from the hardware synth in NSE 3 piped through to Logic's mixer via ReWire without midi data being sent to Logic, and in turn onto the SQ80 midi channel set up there?

In ReWire mode, there's no audio input in Numerology, so you have to route audio directly from the SQ80 into Logic via Logic's audio inputs. Based on what you describe above, it looks like that is already happening, but I'd have to see your Logic setup to know more. My comment about "hosting instruments in Numerology" only applies to AUs. For hardware synths, just route MIDI from Numerology to the synth, then capture the audio in the DAW.

Also, the "Audio Bus A" is one of Numerology's internal audio busses that are usually used for aux sends.

Feel free to post (or email me) w/ more info about your setup and what you want to do and I may have more tips.

Cheers,
Jim

[Logos Lover]

For hardware synths, just route MIDI from Numerology to the synth, then capture the audio in the DAW.
Cheers,
Jim

Is this best done using Bruno's method?

To route only midi from Numerology to the hardware synth in Logic, what should I have my various menu's set to in Numerology?

And to just leave the "audio" tabs set to none?

[ignatius]

Is this best done using Bruno's method?

To route only midi from Numerology to the hardware synth in Logic,

what? i'm confused by what you are asking. are you routing midi from N3 into logic then out to hardware synths?

when i want to record my hardware boxes that are being played by numerology i just route the audio into logic and press record in logic and then play on numerology.. then i go back after the recording is done and trim the beginning of the audio files in logic and make sure i have the tempos set the same.

i just let them run unsync'd because i'm just recording the audio and it doesn't really matter. Logc is just acting like a tape machine recording the hardware. Midi goes from Numerology directly to the hardware and not through anything else.