"Extracting" a groove off the GrooveClock?

[nil]

Fellow Numerologists,

I keep on experimenting with Numerology controlling anything (be it hardware or software) via MIDI, chasing the perfect timing and accuracy. An ever-going quest hehe.

So far, the best results have been with Num standalone, and with Num VST. Both with the smallest buffer (a recent yet crucial discovery).

I'm wondering what would be the most efficient way to extract a custom groove out of Num, to use with another DAW.

Num VST doesn't support custom settings there, so I'm that to overcome that. The timing is absolutely perfect with the VST. Even when it comes to CCs.

So I want to try to record Num VST's output in Live (at 32 samples buffer), without any groove, and then to apply my own groove to those files. It should work, right?

In Live, I can create a groove file out of a MIDI file, or a audio file. It's pretty easy.

I believe I could get some convincing results by:
1) opening Num standalone
2) loading my GC preset in the Clock stack
3) setting the global Groove amount to 100% (so that I can dial the right amount of groove/shuffle afterward)
4) using a Mononote like a metronome, playing 1/16th notes
5) recording the MIDI output OR making the mononote trigger a very short, clicky sample with a strong attack if using an audio file instead
5) use one of those files to extract the groove

but I could be wrong too. Hence this post

Thanks!

If anyone's interested, whenever that damn LP is done, I'll happily write a detailed "report" of all my trial & errors/findings about timing/accuracy/getting the closest I can to the tightness of Num standalone.

[nil]

Jim?

I must say I'm not getting convincing results at the moment. It might be more complex than what I first thought.

Audio files (recorded directly at the output of a Num stack) seems to work better when it comes to extracting a groove. Low BPM too.
But I suppose using a click track (playing every 1/16th or 1/32nd) with 100% Groove in Num, to dial it back once extracted in Live, isn't the way to go. Maybe I should try to record at the % I need instead, and leave the groove amount in L9 at 100%?

Damn I want this to work !

[jim]

Jim?
I must say I'm not getting convincing results at the moment. It might be more complex than what I first thought.

Apologies for the delay, I was camping over the weekend and didn't have time to respond to all forum posts yesterday...

Audio files (recorded directly at the output of a Num stack) seems to work better when it comes to extracting a groove. Low BPM too.
But I suppose using a click track (playing every 1/16th or 1/32nd) with 100% Groove in Num, to dial it back once extracted in Live, isn't the way to go. Maybe I should try to record at the % I need instead, and leave the groove amount in L9 at 100%?

I think your basic approach should work fine, but I would try it with one big change: Use MIDI clips from the 'MIDI Clip Well' in the StackOut module -- those are recorded internally, so they always have accurate timing, and you can drag them directly from N4 into another DAW. Also, maybe try 32nd notes instead of 16th, but I don't expect that would make that much difference.

If you do that and don't get the results you're looking for, send me a test project. I suspect some of the resulting behavior you get will depend on the DAW interprets the MIDI file…

Jim